Let's move on now to another piece we wanted to touch on.
In addition to you know what's happening, asserts in the network engineering space. There's also kind of a broader
shift. I guess we could say bigger picture shift that's going on. So of course, the certain market is always expanding and shifting. But we wanted to kind of step back and take a look at the fact that the network engineering job role really has shifted dramatically over the last 20 years. So I think what's happened
and you can see this, of course, on the screen here is that
you're responsible, obviously, for keeping the network up and running. But now there's much more complexity, and there's automation that you need to think about Orchestration. And security, of course, is something that's gonna be important and the focus on really business outcomes, right? So the network, as Mark mentioned earlier,
is really critical to a business performing any type of task these days. And of course, if that if that is the case, which it is, this is outcomes are gonna be heavily tied to obviously the network being up and running. So Mark, I'm gonna come back to you on this a little bit. Can you talk a little bit about what you've seen in your experience,
or overseas about what's happening in the shifts? You see?
Yes. So I mean, definitely. You know,
when I first started my career, it wasn't and networking, but obviously I dealt worked with those. But one of the things that used to be that, you know, like he was a cost center. Nobody wanted to listen to us because security folks, all we do is cost you money and they never see a return on investment.
But if you pay attention to the news now, there's a lot more breaches. There's a lot more things going on
to where companies are losing tons of money for these things. So, you know, network engineering. You know, when you're designing and now we're keeping from a network architect, well, security has to be something that's considered at the beginning.
Be more proactive and has been previously with reactive
and, you know, technology is one of those things. It's not going away. It's just gonna get better, whether it's in the cloud or whether you know, essentially, you're storing their date on somebody else's network. It's, you know, not really floating in this guy. So there there are now work engineers. There are no working people that are also at these locations, and you could work for either one,
there's much more focused on the security piece of it. The job market's a lot more competitive than it used to be. A CZ Well, so you know, one of the things that that we deal with them that we work for, especially with kind of where I'm at, is that we still have the order technology. So you know,
those are things that are necessary going away now, but
coming from you know. And I think the other thing, too, is that there's so many things out there that
you know you can try to learn the world so much easier now toe truly kind of focus on network engineering because before used to be kind of you, you went to school or you play around at home where you had to go by all this really expensive equipment, or find somebody that had it or flying the lab. And there's just so much more than you can do now with even free stuff that's out there. But
where I think that, you know, we're still going to be heading towards
security like cybersecurity is the buzzword that everybody uses. And if your paintings and chat Joe kind of broke out the three different types, but,
keep security in the front. I know that in the early days of software development, you know, they always tested after
they were done. And then, you know, I think now much better approaches to do secure coding as coating securely as you go through. You have for sure. I've actually worked for the company that did a lot of reverse engineering of formal wear and,
you know, they would look at the firmware, and it was never built with security. You know, 10 20 years ago, they didn't think about this. And now we have a coyote devices right that are highly insecure. And here we are. But anyway, that's another whole conversation. So thank you very much more